Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. Goes to show I learn something new every day. Also have a stainless Rossi in .45 Colt. This round is about the same thing as a 357 Max except for bore diameter. The topstrap cutting kept on but eventually stopped. Pun intended. It shoots deadly accurate and has amazingly smooth trigger action. (Ret.) Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. can anyone suggest a competent gunsmith? It could even work for breech-seating. Winchester 1892 Deluxe 357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle with 24 Inch Octagon Barrel. A great reason to explore reloading. Found a gunsmith who examined it, he got it working again. Industry specs call out a 158-grain bullet at a velocity of 1,800 fps and a 180-grain bullet at 1,530 fps, both from a 10.5-inch vented test barrel. Considering that there are no problems with this cartridge in single-shot pistols and rifles, it is unfortunate that the revolver problems sullied the reputation of an otherwise fine cartridge. It can shoot 38 special 357 magnum and 357 maximum. 1/ picking up brass at this range is not required, only the reloaders typically pick it up. The .357 Rem. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. Paper patch an almost pure lead 380 to 400 gr bullet and it will do a number on an critter waaaaay out there even propelled with black powder but you have to know where your rifle shoots at what yardage. The .357 Maximum is a "stretched" .357 Magnum case; it's about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Id stay away from used Marlins made anywhere from 2005-2015 though. Thanks for the link. I have been thinking of adding a Henry Big Boy X in .357 to go along with my other lever guns, but Ive heard that .357 can be inconsistent regarding accuracy out of a carbine. The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. For some reason it's hard to exceed what 2400 can do in the .357 mag, but H110/W296 and lil gun should also be viable options. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?309518-Saddle-ring-carbines-How-do-you-use-the-ring. The buyer should be picky. There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! by groschen1936 Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:49 pm, Post It worked well in T/C barrels with bullets over 158 grains, and as near-max loads are usually compressed, it eliminated propellant position issues. Really puts a pop in the round. Caint answer Ur ? Looks like AA 1680 is the top powder choice. The most common include: Ruger Blackhawk Dan Wesson Model 40 Fortunately I do have lever guns in .22, .44 and 30-30 so Im not that upset. For instance, My 45-90, when I reload the 45/90 case, I only load to mid range 45/70 specs and use toilet paper to make up the case space. Springfield Armory SA-35 Pistol: Rebirth of the Browning P-35 Hi-Power. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . Try some Blue Dot in your .357 Mag, chronograph it and see how you like it. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. Even when I was younger I preferred the .357 over the .44. The fact that they are very difficult to find, new or used, is a testament of that they are still relative and in high demand. I now have the Ruger gp100-7. Best place to find squirrels in in a deer stand with a 30-06. (I bought a Glenfield 30A at a gunshow for $200 about 5 years ago. I always attempt to stay in the mid range of the reload manual. HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE For Sale from: Intrepid Shooting Sports | Positive feedback: 98% View | Verified Seller | 1551 Completed Sales View Sellers Items SOLD - $299.00 Shipping: $20.00 (or FREE in-store pick up!) Take a lever action over an AR every day. No one currently makes guns chambered in the cartridge.Looking back on the whole incident is very interesting, and there is much to be learned. We are not currently living in such times, when even steel-cased Russian 9mm is sold off the shelves at ridiculous markups. The old Ford Pickup had that seatback that folded forward. The pre-lawyer Rossi 92s are nice guns. They were discontinued for quite awhile and JMs were going for $1200 or more. . im looking to trade for a 357 lever action.. Good luck.hope you brought your best marbles.. My all-time favorite .357 rifle is still the IMI Timber Wolf pump. No such thing as a perfect caliber, but .357 magnum and its sister the .357sig is about as close as one can get. I have. .357 out of a 20 Henry Big Boy Steel rivals the muzzle energy of a .223 out of an 18 inch. I would love to have a new Henry Big Boy X in 357 Magnum.. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! In the early 1980s, the hottest thing going for competitive handgunners was IHMSA. It took only a few rounds to actually erode (read cut) that section. I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. Low supplies and very high demand. In the case of multiple buyers for one item, customers will be given 24 hours to complete a transaction, after which firearms will be made available to the next buyer. Get your barrels customized early for next season! Smooth as butter. version of the .375 supermag (1.61 in.) Buy in stock Contender and Encore barrels for immediate shipment or have them custom build your barrel in 4-6 weeks! Rossi makes various models starting at about $500. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. Nothing slimmer or quicker to get into action. New cartridge and rifle. For them a pistol caliber Lever carbine makes a lot of sense. There was enough space there for a scabbard with a .30-30 in it. 9mm brass-case FMJ is pushing .40 cents a round for the cheap stuff and I dont see the price dropping anytime soon. The availability of molds ranging from 180 to 250 grains in both gascheck and plain-base bullets, reasonable recoil, rimmed for headspace, larger bullet to touch the next ring, there are advantages. Its a copy of the Winchester 1892 made by Miroku for Browning. IMPORTANT NOTE: THROAT LENGTHS IN CUSTOM BARRELS VARY. Go to the Contact page for shipping information: For Remington .357 Maximum brass and Thompson Center "G2" Contender .357 Magnum 12" barrels rechambered to .357 Rem. Trust me. Who knows what the future will bring and if the wife and I will one day move out of this state, but for now we have good jobs, good friends, a good church, no debt, and hope that the current angst against Newsom and the Left in general will bring about some degree of change in November. 008-E503841 | MTM. Thank God for so many various powders available. Upon opening the box the gun was dirty and needed to be cleaned/oiled, not sure if the dust was from the shipping cardboard or lack of care in the shop before packing. .44 Henry rimfire. Im just fed up with the fact I spent over $1000 in gun and ammo to not be able to use it AND when it comes back from the shop it is dirty, not fixed, and has some cosmetic issues that werent there when I shipped it. Don't like it you can turn it quick and easy. But I also have lever rifles in pistol calibers of 357 and 45 colt. rifle is 17.1gr. I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. Many Max shooters (myself included) find poor accuracy with magnum cases. Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. Great rifle and never have had an issue, shooting with 8 grains of unique with 225 grn semi wadcutters. Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. That 2000 fps 357 mag load is 1100 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Good time to start getting ready for the next ammo drought. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-marlin-1894c-357-magnum/, The review after Wild West Guns rescued it: Finding component will likely be tough though. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Give a Gift It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Looks like they replaced my hammer with a used part and there is some marks on the front sight hood that werent there before. I'd hoped the cartridge would be well received by the market, that Marlin would act on chambering their Model 1894 lever action for the .357 Max, but few seemed to appreciate what the cartridge had to offer. The evidently know a 22 rifle or shotgun by sight. Apples should be in pie. 350 Ledgend vs 357 Rem Max | Bloodydecks Latest posts Offshore They're here!!! I have one with the turnstile safety. At that task, it has excelled for more than a century. So naturally, I'm looking at different options and trying to figure out what has the longest range. Of commonly available rifles, 444 marlin seems to be near the top of the heap, ballistics wise. Some of the smaller single-action companies produced their version. Go for a hike in the woods or mountains and you see deer most times of the year. And of course the popular, accurate Dan Wesson revolvers came out with a long frame, long cylinder Max. Until February of 2020 a person could get a lot of different cheap ( relatively) 38 Special and 357 target ammo. New in the Box. It was sweet. Big improvement in smothness. Two million signatures needed by Nov 17 to qualify for a 2021 Special Election. In a rifle, this cartridge is easy on the shoulder, making it a natural for new shooters. Re: Reloading the 357 MAXIMUM. Good item. Either will give hunting accuracy better than a big percentage of "varmint rifles! Risking twice that? We were amazed at the penetration. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Own Stock. Expecting it back today via UPS, cant wait to put some rounds in it this week. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:46 am, Post Over time, Sellier & Bellot expanded its product line to include rifle cartridges and smokeless powder. Past 20, pressure drops off and so do velocities. I have a 94 Trapper in 357 Magnum that I rechambered to 357 Maximum. In an effort to keep the playing field dead level for all competitors, they rigidly adhered to the no-modification standard. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post Get one batch of 360 brass from Starline for ammo to be loaded hot. (Photo: Winchester) The .357 magnum has never been irrelevant since it made its debut 80 + years ago. No, the article actually shows period photos of guys wearing cross slings with clips on the end that attached to the rifle, so they could let it dangle by their legs. A number of employees punched these rifles out to .357 Maximum and were very happy with the field results. Ive chosen to go with a strategy that includes both firearms that the SASS folks find fascinating and others that cause the antis to have bowel control problems you can cover a lot of bases for just a couple thousand dollars. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. The last time I sent a gun off for some work was a chiappa revolver 2 years ago. I cant go the range without people coming over to try it out. by stretch Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:47 pm, Post those .357s out of a 20 inch barrel will just bounce off the bad guys chest, I tell ya!!!!!!! And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. While visiting Rugers New Hampshire facility in 1985, I learned that when the company built the California Highway Patrol Commemorative model of the No. This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. Here's the 357 Maximum story: Back in the 1980's there was a silhouette competition for pistols out to 200 yards. We show you how. Youll see how relevant lever guns are next time the bolsheviks are in the white house. I have not seen a 357 max levergun but, I have a Marlin 336 that is chambered in 375 Supermag. Suppessor equiped lever guns with Subsonic plinker ammo are a hoot to shoot. It loads long, with a cartridge overall length (COL) of 2.145 inches, well over the published max COL of 1.990 inches. Going price was 399.they didnt have any..but said they had a 45 Long Colt at a discount 299easy decision. The youngsters love shooting it with .38 spl. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. Lack of inventory isnt relevance in modern times. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. There are even night sights available from aftermarket suppliers. The rifle should be able to shoot all the standard lead .357 bullets, including the 148 gr wadcutters. I would think it would beat the .357 Maximum, honestly. Its cheaper than a lot of other calibers to shoot with minimal felt recoil. Regardless of the manufacturer, most reloading books recommend you do not load bullets lighter than 158 grains. So for me, the perfect single-caliber combo would be .357 Mag wheelgun at the hip holster, and lever gun such as one of those shown in the article above. Henry is finally putting out some side loading gate models, while still retaining the muzzle end magazine tube, so as to make them easier and safer to unload. @ Ed Palumbo. I might have to take that to the range next time and see what happens. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:43 pm, Post Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on November 23, 2019: I spoke to a gunsmith about rebarreling a Ruger #3 falling block (single shot) to .357 Maximum and he was appalled, commenting "You'll never be able to resell it! But alas. someguy2800, Jul 12, 2019 #7 Eagle 17 and Bfh_auto like this. The world's most powerful firearm database. You want a 357 Max rifle, best to go to MGM with Encore barrel, with Bellm's chambering. by groschen1936 Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:30 am, Post Id like to, but my current living situation and potential job changes/living situations dont allow for me to set up an area for reloading. Last one I owned was an 1889 Marlin in .44-40. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. 357 Magnum Rifle M.V. Features Sig Hard casing (2) Additonal 12 Round mag European American Armory, Windicator, Medium Frame, 357 Magnum, 4" Barrel, Steel Frame, Nickel Finish, Rubber Grips, Fixed Sights, 6Rd. The Gun That Won The West. Caliber: .357 MAG/ .38 Special Capacity: 10+1 Barrel Length: 18 Barrel Type: Octagon Blued Steel Rate of Twist: 1:16 Overall Length: 35.5 Receiver Material: CaseHardened Steel Rear Sight: Buckhorn Front Sight: Blade Stock Material: Walnut Weight: 7.4 lbs. Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. Im not particularly recoil sensitive (though getting old does suck) but from a power-to-controllability ratio standpoint, Ive always found the .357 to be the sweet spot. Buy 357 Maximum Brass Pistol Cases 95pcs Mixed Brass 357 Max: GunBroker is the largest seller of Reloading Supplies Ammunition Reloading All: 974082394. . rounds much more than the .22s. MAXIMUM RIFLE | 325 | 122 | Lc | 125.0022ms, HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. I take the time to dial in bores, do all throating separately forthe best co-axial alignment of the throat with the bore, and cut a few tenths of a thousandth tighter throat. Winchester just introduced the 350 Legend for all the people who are stuck using straight walled cartridges. Zombie apocalypse? Velocities can exceed 2,000 fps in a 14-inch barrel, and that could make a hollowpoint bullet intended for .357 Magnum velocities behave like a varmint bullet. In 1983, the .357 Remington Maximum was released as a joint project between Ruger and Remington. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" The Apostle Paul in Romans 1:22 . . If you don't there are some good old black powder era straight wall cases that you could utilize to make a real deer hunting longer range rifle. In short order, there was a Ruger Blackhawk Maximum and ammo to go with it.Ruger was not the only party on the Maximum bandwagon. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:54 pm, Post . May be possible to make a single shot but it would be costly. This is the same bullet we've used with great sucess in the .35 Rem loads. Threaded barrel. Having fired several different types and CARRIED them in the Military, I much prefer the simple and traditional bolt-actions, levers and semi-autos that American hunters have carried for generations. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on July 21, 2015: I had the opportunity to fire a colleague's .357 Max "Contender" and he worked with my .41 Magnum. While I do want one in .357 for ammo sharing with my handguns Id be open to one in .327 Federal as well. And 9mm , 45 ACP, 40 S&W , 380 Auto and all the rest. That all depends on the powder youre burning. The least amount of trouble would be to buy a 35 Remmington and be done with it. Buy Savage 24V Series D 357 Rem Max / 20GA: GunBroker is the largest seller of Other Rifles Rifles Guns & Firearms All: 973628258. . Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 20 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 12 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Benelli-beretta 12 Ga. Uberti 1873 Cattleman NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550), Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16" Lever Action 357 Mag - NIB, 200 Round Case Underwood Ammunition .38 Special 100gr. Personally I like Blue Dot, and Bullseye for plinking rounds. NEF 357 Mag camo syn stocks with camo Nikon . including a .40 S&W Barrel (view pictures). Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Custom Mossberg 500 at the Range and Live Turkey!. Ha! Rossi 92 is one of the best purchases Ive ever made. But those new X models are very hard to get now. *We Never share your email without your permission. 357 Remington Maximum Additional Loads Below are the all of the bullet and load recipes followed by the groups shot at distance with our 21 357 Max 1:20 Encore barrel. Lever action rifles are fun. And yes the price has been driven up on them, in the used market in the last 10, 15 years or so, especially the ones with no factory additional safetys, other than the half cock position of the hammers, such as the older Winchester and Marlin 94s. Took it out on a pesky squirrel with a .308. plus i have very bad eyes, and kinda need a scope or a red dot to shoot in a relaxed fashion. Geoff: Nope, not yet. The max lead . Per ballistics charts, and generally speaking due to all the variables from different cartridge loads, a .357 Mag out of a carbine rifle barrel approaches the muzzle velocity and energy of a .44 Mag from a handgun. Most of all it shoots the same ammo as a number of revolvers I have and reload for. .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA. of rifles attached to horn or pommel and carried in a shuck of some sort. This caliber in both the bottle neck and straight wall was a popular "high velocity" for it's day buffalo caliber. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. I have shot a buddys 357, think it was Italian, a couple times as he is into Cowboy Action..not my thing but fun to watch! Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. I never got to shoot either. Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. I can recall a conversation with John Taffin, a fellow gunwriter of deserved great reputation. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. It was introduced in 1935, and its use has since become widespread. Classified Ad (1000+), Search Full Text of Listings From pressure data with this specific bullet, we knew there were no safety issues with the slightly oversize bullet as along as handloaders used Speer data for the Speer bullet. And if even a Henry is a little rich for your blood, Rossi makes perfectly serviceable pistol-caliber levers that retail in the mid-$500s. Nobody cared about the AR-15. It really boils down to max distance, drop, and how much the bullets . I prefer flatnose or roundnose designs in this velocity range because they typically demonstrate better expansion than Spitzers at the same velocity. Please enjoy those guns with your family on my behalf, as I will not be purchasing **anything** in CA in my continuing quest to remain off the CADOJs books. First, I was a guy who dropped the idea, except for a special-purpose handload. Single shots from Thompson/Center, Wichita and Merrill appeared on the expanding .357 Maximum market. I took photos and pointed out the issue but still didnt fix it. It's important to note that when using cast bullets, you will need to use gas checks since the velocities reached with .357 Remington Maximum may cause problems. NEVER see one at any reasonable price at any LGS. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:25 pm, Post Ruger developed a Blackhawk specifically for the cartridge, but word of barrel erosion and "flame cutting" came to light quickly and production of the revolver was ceased with only about 400 produced. If its an American classic you want, the Winchester Model 1892 Carbine is about as classic as it gets. It list 357 Max data for Jacketed and Cast bullets from all the major players. The most common include: There are other firearms chambered in the maximum, but their availability is limited and prices can be high. Of course, I dont carry it on a single point like the muh AR crowd does. by groschen1936 Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm, Post SAAMI documents dated 2005 list it as inactive.. The last time I was at the range with my marlin in 45-70 all eyes were on meeveryone else shooting the newest AR/AK and here comes this doofus with a lever action thumper. I would think the old school lever lovers and the black rifle guys could come together on this. About the only .357 or .38 spl ammo available now is the pricey 30-bucks-for-a-box-of-20 defensive loads. Accepted Payment Methods: Returns: 3 Days I bought a brandified new Ruger .357 revolver just as this lockdown crap started. twist: 1:18.75"; trim length: 1.285"; primer: Winchester SPM; bullet diam. You have my (good natured) envy. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward.
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